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Feb 01 20:57:02 <shankhs> hi everybody
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Feb 01 20:57:31 <shankhs> tuxmaniac: here too
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Feb 01 20:59:57 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: you are ready to rock!??
Feb 01 21:00:03 <shankhs> YES
Feb 01 21:00:13 <easwar> shanks
Feb 01 21:00:14 <shankhs> but only 6!!!
Feb 01 21:00:22 <easwar> do you have an alter ego called shankha?
Feb 01 21:00:45 <shankhs> TO begin with is there anyone who doesnt know about linux?
Feb 01 21:00:48 <shankhs> easwar: NO
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Feb 01 21:01:40 <shankhs> Linux was initiated by Linus Torvalds and developed my hackers all around the world
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Feb 01 21:02:18 <easwar> shankhs, that's why I asked
Feb 01 21:02:30 <rascal_is_here> linux is advanced version of unix and minix
Feb 01 21:02:30 <shankhs> easwar: :)
Feb 01 21:02:48 <shankhs> rascal_is_here: I agree but not completely
Feb 01 21:03:18 <shankhs> Its because Linux is much more than just an advanced version of minix..
Feb 01 21:04:00 <rascal_is_here> yes , linux torvald is a student , he just modified unix source with additional facilities
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Feb 01 21:04:21 <shankhs> but linux has come a long way since then
Feb 01 21:05:04 <shankhs> I understand that not everybody here is a dev but some geeky knowledge wont do any harm
Feb 01 21:05:13 <shankhs> first its a monolithic kernel
Feb 01 21:05:54 <shankhs> second its open-source(which translates to be "FREE" but not free as in freedom)
Feb 01 21:06:23 <easwar> shankhs, what's monolithic?and how do you mean free but not as in freedom?
Feb 01 21:06:32 <easwar> you mean free but not free as in beer
Feb 01 21:06:47 <shankhs> you take the source code from the community modify it to suit your use and then give it back to the community
Feb 01 21:06:58 <shankhs> easwar: exactly
Feb 01 21:07:19 <easwar> shankhs, you mismatched freedom and beer
Feb 01 21:07:31 <shankhs> easwar: oops sorry
Feb 01 21:07:35 <shankhs> the open source is protected by GNU...
Feb 01 21:07:52 <shankhs> the license is GNU GPL
Feb 01 21:08:02 <easwar> GPLv2 to be precise
Feb 01 21:08:13 <shankhs> precisely
Feb 01 21:09:28 <shankhs> MONOLITHIC KERNEL-- its a kernel where every system call is run in superuser mode i.e in kernel space
Feb 01 21:10:01 <shankhs> There are various flavours of Linux in which Ubuntu is one of them...
Feb 01 21:10:18 <rascal_is_here> what are other GUI linux distriutions other than ubuntu and red hat
Feb 01 21:10:36 <easwar> rascal_is_here, Fedora,openSUSE,Mandriva,Puppy,DSL
Feb 01 21:10:39 <shankhs> rascal_is_here: SuSE,Fedora,Debian,Slackware,Arch
Feb 01 21:10:40 <easwar> to name a few
Feb 01 21:10:44 <easwar> well over a hundred
Feb 01 21:10:47 <shankhs> the list is really long
Feb 01 21:11:04 <rascal_is_here> can u say which ones are best and popular
Feb 01 21:11:30 <shankhs> Ubuntu is the most popular and as far as best is concerned it depends on individual
Feb 01 21:11:51 <shankhs> Canonical is the sponsor of Ubuntu
Feb 01 21:11:51 <easwar> rascal_is_here, distrowatch.com
Feb 01 21:12:02 <easwar> check the page hits ranking
Feb 01 21:12:39 <rascal_is_here> aptoncd crashes automatically while reading the installed package , any solution ?
Feb 01 21:12:47 <shankhs> There are hundreds of sites which helps you to chose your distro...
Feb 01 21:12:56 <shankhs> rascal_is_here: please ask in #ubuntu-in
Feb 01 21:13:01 <easwar> rascal_is_here, please take problems to #ubuntu
Feb 01 21:13:19 <rascal_is_here> ogay
Feb 01 21:13:58 <rascal_is_here> can any one say what is ubuntu server and for what it is used for ?
Feb 01 21:14:05 <shankhs> Ubuntu literally means helping others
Feb 01 21:14:14 <shankhs> rascal_is_here: coming to that in a min
Feb 01 21:15:17 <shankhs> The recent version of ubuntu is 8.10 and 9.04 alpha2 has been released
Feb 01 21:15:43 <shankhs> infact alpha3
Feb 01 21:15:54 <rascal_is_here> what i want actually is what is ubuntu server
Feb 01 21:15:57 <rascal_is_here> ?
Feb 01 21:16:02 <shankhs> ya coming
Feb 01 21:16:13 <shankhs> now going deep into "Ubuntu"
Feb 01 21:16:16 <techno_freak> rascal_is_here, show some patience please
Feb 01 21:16:28 <rascal_is_here> ok
Feb 01 21:17:13 <shankhs> Ubuntu is inspired from Debian so many of the packages you use are actually debian derivatives
Feb 01 21:18:21 <easwar> *is a fork of Debian
Feb 01 21:18:43 <shankhs> what happens is the ubuntu-devs take the apps from debian and work on it day and night to make it bug free and simpler to use then release it alongwith the OS release
Feb 01 21:18:56 <shankhs> easwar: that will be better technical word
Feb 01 21:20:32 <shankhs> more on debian and its fork ubuntu since this will help on understanding how development is done in ubuntu
Feb 01 21:21:32 <shankhs> If anybody happened to be present in UDW they will have a better idea
Feb 01 21:21:48 <easwar> UDW?
Feb 01 21:21:50 <shankhs> anyways I will re-explain here...
Feb 01 21:21:59 <shankhs> easwar: Ubuntu Developer Week
Feb 01 21:21:59 <easwar> Ubuntu Development Week?
Feb 01 21:22:06 <shankhs> easwar: ya
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Feb 01 21:24:22 <shankhs> the ubuntu-devs dont know who is the debian maintainer and the debian maitainer(s) doesnt have any opinion on things..
Feb 01 21:25:20 <shankhs> so the maintainers of the package are real developers in ubuntu
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Feb 01 21:25:33 <shankhs> The bugs are reported in LP
Feb 01 21:26:02 <shankhs> any debian developer here?
Feb 01 21:26:22 <easwar> not,AFAIK
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Feb 01 21:28:20 <shankhs> tuxmaniac says that also. the maintainers of packages are only sometime "devels" of Ubuntu.
Feb 01 21:28:29 <tuxmaniac> yes.
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Feb 01 21:28:54 <shankhs> ya its true... but not neccessary
Feb 01 21:29:12 <tuxmaniac> the point here is the package is generally in Debian and what the Ubuntu devels do is "sync" it from Debian repostory
Feb 01 21:29:23 <shankhs> exactly
Feb 01 21:29:32 <tuxmaniac> sometimes there need be when you do local ubuntu changes.
Feb 01 21:29:43 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: you can go ahed now. thanks
Feb 01 21:29:55 <shankhs> I was trying to explain it in simpler english There are many ways that you can work together with Debian.
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Feb 01 21:31:24 <shankhs> you can become a maintainer a transition coordinator,share patches , help them ( debian-devs) in packaging new upstream versions...
Feb 01 21:31:35 <shankhs> whoaaa did I say UPSTREAM???
Feb 01 21:32:14 <shankhs> upstream technically speaking means the source which developed the package...
Feb 01 21:33:15 <shankhs> any doubts about upstream because its neccessary to understand that if you a beginner in ubuntu development
Feb 01 21:33:18 <shankhs> ?
Feb 01 21:34:24 <shankhs> What actually happens is the bugs that get fixed in ubuntu the patches or the bug fixes are reported back to debian
Feb 01 21:35:33 <shankhs> There is a superb bug tracking facility in case of ubuntu...
Feb 01 21:35:35 <easwar> so that effort is not duplicated
Feb 01 21:35:43 <shankhs> no
Feb 01 21:36:01 <shankhs> but some problems do areise
Feb 01 21:37:14 <shankhs> because there are many differences in the way ubuntu and debian is organised
Feb 01 21:38:19 <shankhs> the most important difference I think is the package maintainer in debian who takes all the decision about the package
Feb 01 21:38:50 <shankhs> whereas in ubuntu a package is maintained by its contributors
Feb 01 21:39:23 <shankhs> I hope by now everybody has got idea how ubuntu is forked from debian...
Feb 01 21:39:43 <shankhs> any questions?
Feb 01 21:40:32 <shankhs> I think somebody here wanted to know about ubuntu server...is he still around here???
Feb 01 21:40:52 <easwar> how do you mean "in ubuntu a package is maintained by its contributors"?
Feb 01 21:40:59 <sameep> no he isn't..
Feb 01 21:41:05 <sameep> he left a while back..
Feb 01 21:41:13 <shankhs> sameep: ok
Feb 01 21:42:05 <shankhs> easwar, et al : see you work on developing a package--> request a sponsor--> get it--> MOTUs upload it
Feb 01 21:42:08 <shanka> yeah I too didn't get that point..
Feb 01 21:43:59 <shankhs> easwar: shanka : did you get it??or should I explain more?
Feb 01 21:45:03 <shanka> shankhs: I got how it's in ubuntu... but can you elaborate more about debian?
Feb 01 21:45:23 <easwar> yeah,but in the end,the MOTU are package maintainers,aren' they?They're the ones who commit the changed package into the repos
Feb 01 21:45:32 <shankhs> now as you develop the repository maintainer does all the hard work to uplaod your updated package to the repos...
Feb 01 21:45:59 <shankhs> but the package is developed by you
Feb 01 21:46:23 <shanka> shankhs: in debian can anybody become the package maintainer?
Feb 01 21:46:23 <easwar> yes,so?
Feb 01 21:46:57 <shankhs> In debian the package maintainer has a team which is solely responsible for all the uploads.
Feb 01 21:47:35 <shankhs> they take all the decisions about the package
Feb 01 21:47:43 <shankhs> its not so in ubuntu
Feb 01 21:49:00 <shankhs> easwar: shanka : had it been then the repos would have been easily accessible but do you find it like this?
Feb 01 21:49:01 <shanka> shankhs: so in ubuntu MOTUs don't cannot interfere in your business and your package..
Feb 01 21:49:35 <shankhs> they can and they do sometimes...
Feb 01 21:49:47 <shanka> shankhs: MOTUs just upload stuff to servers, make sure they are updated and stuff.. but.. ahh ok
Feb 01 21:50:09 <shankhs> shanka: do you know the whole process of getting your stuff uploaded to the repos?
Feb 01 21:50:26 <shanka> shankhs: no (sorry)
Feb 01 21:50:27 <shankhs> let me explain that to...I think the time will permit
Feb 01 21:50:36 <shanka> shankhs: thanks
Feb 01 21:51:18 <shankhs> lets say that 1.you developed the package xyz
Feb 01 21:51:49 <shankhs> 2. you go to #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-devel to request a sponsor for your package
Feb 01 21:52:53 <shankhs> 3. After getting a sponsor you attract some of the MOTUs who work with you to upload the package.
Feb 01 21:53:43 <shanka> shankhs: sorry to interrupt.. but what is a sponsor?
Feb 01 21:53:50 <shankhs> in step 2 and 3 you will get a lot of help from the gurus and in many times found your package a lot more bug-free and more developed
Feb 01 21:54:34 <shankhs> they review your package...
Feb 01 21:54:50 <shankhs> did you know about REVU?
Feb 01 21:54:58 <shanka> shankhs: no..
Feb 01 21:55:27 <shanka> shankhs: sponsors, I was inclined to think they give money :)
Feb 01 21:55:48 <shankhs> shanka: :D
Feb 01 21:56:04 <shankhs> go here to know more about REVU http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/
Feb 01 21:56:37 <shanka> ok
Feb 01 21:57:06 <shankhs> coming back to india and the main topic for discussion today HOW TO CREATE UBUNTU INDIA DISTRO
Feb 01 21:57:57 <shankhs> I need more discussions and views on this...
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Feb 01 21:58:14 <tazz> and the need for another ubuntu distro is?
Feb 01 21:58:20 <shankhs> As you know in India Internet is slow and costly
Feb 01 21:58:46 <tazz> you can create a apt-cache cd
Feb 01 21:58:55 <shankhs> and not any other ubuntu distro just a few packages removed and a few added
Feb 01 21:59:17 <shankhs> tazz: are you in the mailing lists?
Feb 01 21:59:28 <tazz> yes
Feb 01 22:00:27 <shankhs> then you must be knowing the problems the guy faced in installing ubuntu in a remote village in karnataka...
Feb 01 22:00:52 <shankhs> no mp3 support some fonts lacking to name a few problems.
Feb 01 22:01:21 <shankhs> tazz: what do you think we should do as a developer?
Feb 01 22:01:29 <tazz> buta whole new disto?
Feb 01 22:01:29 <shankhs> also there was no internet
Feb 01 22:01:40 <shankhs> no you are getting me wrong
Feb 01 22:01:56 <shankhs> I meant modified distro
Feb 01 22:02:00 * techno_freak has changed the topic to: Welcome to Ubuntu Indian Team Classroom ~ #ubuntu-in-classroom | Ubuntu Indian Team ~ #ubuntu-in ~ http://ubuntu-in.info | Ubuntu Indian Team Weekly Meet #1 ~ 1st Feb 2009 21.00 hrs IST | Topic: How to create Ubuntu Indian Distribution |
Feb 01 22:02:17 <shankhs> thanx techno_freak
Feb 01 22:02:31 <techno_freak> shankhs, wlecome :)
Feb 01 22:02:56 <shankhs> techno_freak: do you have any ideas how to help that guy?
Feb 01 22:04:06 <shankhs> we need a pretty active discussion on this as this concerns our country and the people.
Feb 01 22:05:05 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: gora and the sarai team were doing something like that on this
Feb 01 22:05:34 <shankhs> tuxmaniac: how can we get updates about their work?
Feb 01 22:05:34 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: also IMO, we need to support the IndLinux project more
Feb 01 22:05:42 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: mail shantanu or gora
Feb 01 22:05:47 <tazz> ^^ +1
Feb 01 22:06:15 <shankhs> tuxmaniac: guys IndLinux or IndUbuntu??
Feb 01 22:06:18 <tuxmaniac> both these things are the first steps as they have already taken a few rapid steps and it would be easier for people to work with them
Feb 01 22:06:42 <tuxmaniac> IndUbuntu is not at all active. It was started by a guy for reasons which I dont want to take up in this forum
Feb 01 22:06:48 <tuxmaniac> IndlInux! thats the place
Feb 01 22:06:59 <tazz> anyone here headded to freed.in ?
Feb 01 22:07:07 <tuxmaniac> http://indlinux.org/
Feb 01 22:07:29 <tuxmaniac> if someone is going to freed.in thats the best place to discuss these things as you can have first hands interaction wth the folks
Feb 01 22:08:05 <tuxmaniac> I think both Karunakar (IndLinux guy) and Gora (Sarai Team member and IndLinux longtimer) will be there
Feb 01 22:08:14 <tazz> yup
Feb 01 22:08:22 <tuxmaniac> i completely agree we must be pushing this thing
Feb 01 22:09:07 <tuxmaniac> but we need contributors. everybody says the same thing. but we dont see the push. So shankhs it will be nice if you could get in touch with Gora or Karunakar or Shantanu or Kartik Mistry or any of the language folks and start working!
Feb 01 22:09:15 <shankhs> tuxmaniac: please can you explain more about IndLinux...
Feb 01 22:09:22 <tazz> and merge like minded projects rather then branching.
Feb 01 22:09:33 <shankhs> tazz: I completely agrre
Feb 01 22:09:37 <shankhs> *agree
Feb 01 22:09:48 <shankhs> United we stand divided we fall :)
Feb 01 22:09:50 <tuxmaniac> well I am not the guy who can talk on IndLinux. tazz or may be techno_freak knows better
Feb 01 22:10:03 <shankhs> tazz: IndLinux?
Feb 01 22:10:17 <tazz> i think there is a chan on freenode for indlinux too
Feb 01 22:10:24 <tuxmaniac> yes #indlinux
Feb 01 22:10:38 <shankhs> How many devs are there and what are there mission?
Feb 01 22:10:58 <shankhs> just a few lines would do
Feb 01 22:11:11 <tazz> shankhs, why dont you head there and ask them?
Feb 01 22:11:14 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: can you hold for a few minutes
Feb 01 22:11:24 <shankhs> tuxmaniac: yes
Feb 01 22:11:24 <tuxmaniac> shankhs: I have asked one of them to come here if possible
Feb 01 22:11:36 <easwar> this is now looking more like a project to get shankhs contributing to IndLinux and or Sarai,and less a Ubuntu India LoCo meeting
Feb 01 22:11:39 <shankhs> tuxmaniac: thankyou
Feb 01 22:12:03 <shankhs> easwar: nope you can also contribute to IndLinux.
Feb 01 22:12:09 <tazz> easwar, lol well atleast he is trying to get involed.
Feb 01 22:12:19 <easwar> tazz, not a problem
Feb 01 22:12:32 <shankhs> easwar: OK lets continue with development stuffs in ubuntu
Feb 01 22:12:36 <easwar> tazz, but I thought we were sticking to agenda
Feb 01 22:12:48 <shankhs> the next topic is bug handling in ubuntu
Feb 01 22:13:12 <shankhs> easwar: shanka sameep
Feb 01 22:13:34 <tazz> easwar, agendas can be flixible if we find a common way out.
Feb 01 22:13:40 <shankhs> We all have account in Launchpad???
Feb 01 22:13:52 * easwar does
Feb 01 22:13:53 <tazz> i do
Feb 01 22:13:56 * shanka does
Feb 01 22:14:03 <shankhs> i do
Feb 01 22:14:51 <shankhs> if other guys dont have one register in www.launcpad.net
Feb 01 22:14:56 <techno_freak> tuxmaniac, from what gora last told me they are almost in final stages of indianized ubuntu. he asked me to wait for few months to test it out :)
Feb 01 22:15:00 <easwar> tazz, true,but the traditional thingie is at the end of the meeting,we go "Any other matter with the permission of the Chair"
Feb 01 22:15:02 <shanka> ?
Feb 01 22:15:26 <easwar> shankhs, do we login to LP?
Feb 01 22:15:34 <shankhs> yes
Feb 01 22:15:43 <tazz> there is a chair?
Feb 01 22:16:19 <shankhs> Please everybody login to LP
Feb 01 22:16:25 <easwar> tazz, whatever,the chair is shankhs and/or techno_freak ,I guess
Feb 01 22:16:43 <techno_freak> not me for sure, am just Oping around here :P
Feb 01 22:17:00 <easwar> lol techno_freak
Feb 01 22:17:11 <shankhs> tazz: tell us when the guy from #indlinux is here till then lets fix some bugs
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Feb 01 22:17:40 <shankhs> *lets track some bugs
Feb 01 22:17:42 <easwar> I didn't know this was a bug jam
Feb 01 22:17:49 <shankhs> fixing will be too ambitious
Feb 01 22:18:02 <shankhs> easwar: thats what I am going to discuss
Feb 01 22:18:12 <tazz> easwar, just play along.
Feb 01 22:18:19 <easwar> heh
Feb 01 22:18:21 <easwar> ok
Feb 01 22:18:49 <easwar> logged in,now
Feb 01 22:18:51 <easwar> ?
Feb 01 22:19:07 <shankhs> Once you login you go to a page where you will find many tabs
Feb 01 22:19:21 <shankhs> click on the tab where "Bugs" is written
Feb 01 22:19:48 <easwar> ok
Feb 01 22:20:10 <easwar> nice,we have a kernel bug related to the latest update
Feb 01 22:20:34 <shankhs> Lets say I have the bug in project "foo"
Feb 01 22:20:46 <shankhs> and you wan to report it
Feb 01 22:21:10 <shankhs> first click on report a bug
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Feb 01 22:21:52 <easwar> hey lut4rp
Feb 01 22:21:57 <lut4rp> hey
Feb 01 22:22:01 <shankhs> only if you are dead sure that it has not been reported
Feb 01 22:22:11 <lut4rp> I hope you aren't serious about the Ubuntu India distro?
Feb 01 22:22:24 <lut4rp> just saw that.
Feb 01 22:22:49 <shankhs> lut4rp: we just learnt that there is IndLinux project which is at its final stages
Feb 01 22:22:56 <easwar> lut4rp, trying to get shankhs to go to either IndLinux or Sarai
Feb 01 22:23:00 <lut4rp> shankhs, exactly.
Feb 01 22:23:12 <shankhs> so there is no need for Ubuntu India distro
Feb 01 22:23:19 <lut4rp> what I think can be done though, is create an Ubuntu India pack :)
Feb 01 22:23:45 <lut4rp> like a collection of good wallpapers, theme, sound pack. Just the Indian look
Feb 01 22:23:50 <shankhs> lut4rp: hmmm...
Feb 01 22:24:00 <shankhs> thats a better idea
Feb 01 22:24:00 <techno_freak> latecomers donot hijack ongoing discussion :P
Feb 01 22:24:05 <tuxmaniac> lut4rp: hold. shankhs is doing some other stuff. we can continue this discussion later
Feb 01 22:24:15 <lut4rp> oops
Feb 01 22:24:19 <lut4rp> sorry!
Feb 01 22:24:23 <lut4rp> :/
Feb 01 22:24:28 <easwar> lol techno_freak tuxmaniac
Feb 01 22:24:29 <shankhs> lut4rp: will catch you later...
Feb 01 22:24:38 <lut4rp> shankhs, sure, I am always in #ubuntu-in
Feb 01 22:24:42 <shankhs> continuing on bug report
Feb 01 22:24:53 * lut4rp runs off
Feb 01 22:25:50 <shankhs> you noticed a bug in project foo and wanted to report it
Feb 01 22:26:01 <shankhs> so you went to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
Feb 01 22:27:38 <shankhs> you mention the package name or the project name and then write a summary about the bug
Feb 01 22:28:08 <shankhs> the summary should be short and precise
Feb 01 22:29:18 <shankhs> Its always better to use advanced reporting option for detailed information about the bug.
Feb 01 22:29:28 <shankhs> Your bug report must contain
Feb 01 22:29:36 <shankhs> 1.How to reproduce the bug
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Feb 01 22:30:17 <shankhs> 2.After effects like ubuntu crashes or the GUI freezes
Feb 01 22:30:35 <shankhs> 3.Extent of security vulnerability
Feb 01 22:30:38 <easwar> if you can't reproduce the bug?
Feb 01 22:31:11 <shankhs> easwar: then you dont write
Feb 01 22:31:21 <shankhs> 4.Attach the patch (if you were able to make one)
Feb 01 22:31:42 <shankhs> and Remember to subscribe to the bug
Feb 01 22:31:49 <easwar> shankhs, and when the program itself tells you to file a bug?
Feb 01 22:32:51 <shankhs> then in most of the cases it will generate its own bug report and all you have to do is just to go and copy/paste the report.
Feb 01 22:33:19 <easwar> shankhs, that time it didn't
Feb 01 22:34:07 <shankhs> :(
Feb 01 22:34:36 <shankhs> then you just write what you experienced
Feb 01 22:34:51 <easwar> yeah,and then later,it became all right
Feb 01 22:34:56 <easwar> on it's own
Feb 01 22:35:01 <easwar> Murphy's law
Feb 01 22:35:30 <easwar> when you ask a computer guy to look at the problem,the problem no longer exists
Feb 01 22:36:01 <shankhs> understand that whatever you write in the bug report will help a developer to analyze the situation and provide a quick but efficient solution
Feb 01 22:36:51 <shankhs> easwar: ooh :(
Feb 01 22:37:55 <techno_freak> easwar, report a bug only if it occurs more than once and you've figured a way to reproduce it. if you yourselves can't reproduce it, it's not a bug.
Feb 01 22:38:15 <easwar> techno_freak, it did occur more than once
Feb 01 22:38:21 <easwar> that's the bad thing
Feb 01 22:38:29 <shankhs> techno_freak: I would like to differ here ...
Feb 01 22:39:33 <techno_freak> if you can't explain how to reproduce the big, the probability that other can verify it is very little, unless it is a more pronounced bug
Feb 01 22:40:18 <techno_freak> well, there are exceptions, but that's the general rule
Feb 01 22:40:21 <shankhs> techno_freak: thats correct
Feb 01 22:40:30 * unmadindu (n=sayamind@gnu-india/admin/unmadindu) has joined #ubuntu-in-classroom
Feb 01 22:40:48 * techno_freak waves at unmadindu
Feb 01 22:40:56 <unmadindu> hello :)
Feb 01 22:41:36 <easwar> \o unmadindu
Feb 01 22:41:50 <shankhs> sometimes the bugs are not bugs at all rather a config problem
Feb 01 22:41:51 <unmadindu> heya
Feb 01 22:42:11 <tuxmaniac> ok. here we have unmadindu who will be in a position to answer IndLinux related queries
Feb 01 22:42:23 <tuxmaniac> we can do that after shankhs finishes this session
Feb 01 22:42:35 <unmadindu> okie
Feb 01 22:42:44 * easwar pats tuxmaniac on the back
Feb 01 22:43:02 <shankhs> and the bug reporters report it in such a clean way that the devs feel foolish after wasting a lot of time in it
Feb 01 22:44:05 <shankhs> the bugs are usually handled as the ubuntu bugs and upstream bugs
Feb 01 22:44:49 <shankhs> I explained upstream earlier
Feb 01 22:45:25 <shankhs> any of the gnome bugs are upstream bugs (say)
Feb 01 22:46:26 <shankhs> if you report it in LP the ubuntu-devs contact the upstream guys maintaing the upstream package and they provide the bug-fixes.
Feb 01 22:47:48 <shankhs> lets check bug #3923 go to http://www.mibbit.com/url/uTL1iA https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+bugs?field.searchtext=gnome&search=Search+Bug+Reports&field.scope=all&field.scope.target=
Feb 01 22:48:36 <shankhs> there you can see 3 tabs in , importance and status
Feb 01 22:48:50 <shankhs> in=the package which contains the bug
Feb 01 22:49:14 <shankhs> Importance=self explanatory
Feb 01 22:49:46 <shankhs> and status=new/confirmed/In Progress
Feb 01 22:51:17 <shankhs> new means the bugs have just been reported and no thoroughly tested patch has been provided
Feb 01 22:51:45 <shankhs> In Progress=The bug has been taken up and work is going on
Feb 01 22:51:56 <shankhs> Confirmed=Bug fixes released
Feb 01 22:53:22 <shankhs> To get fast confirmation of your bugs you need to be a lot more precise and explanatory
Feb 01 22:54:16 <shankhs> More about bugs in the next session...
Feb 01 22:54:27 <shankhs> my fingers are paining...:(
Feb 01 22:54:42 <techno_freak> confirmed != bug fix released, confirmed = the bug is verified and is confirmed to exist and all the required information has been collected
Feb 01 22:56:02 <techno_freak> then it's set to triaged and a devel starts looking at the bug
Feb 01 22:56:16 <shankhs> oops what did I say??? sorry guys the fingers are not helping techno_freak is correct like https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-terminal/+bug/3923
Feb 01 22:57:00 <shankhs> techno_freak: thanks
Feb 01 22:57:05 <techno_freak> :)
Feb 01 22:57:53 <shankhs> there are lot about triaging and helping in bug fixes that I will be addressed in the next meeting
Feb 01 22:58:07 <techno_freak> well, if that's the case you may beging the discussion with unmadindu
Feb 01 22:58:15 <shankhs> I hope you learned something new about ubuntu in these 2 hours
Feb 01 22:58:15 <techno_freak> begin*
Feb 01 22:58:27 <shankhs> techno_freak: ya
Feb 01 22:58:44 * techno_freak has changed the topic to: Welcome to Ubuntu Indian Team Classroom ~ #ubuntu-in-classroom | Ubuntu Indian Team ~ #ubuntu-in ~ http://ubuntu-in.info | Ubuntu Indian Team Weekly Meet #1 ~ 1st Feb 2009 21.00 hrs IST | Topic: Interaction about IndLinux with unmadindu |
Feb 01 22:58:51 * techno_freak wakes up unmadindu
Feb 01 22:58:55 <shankhs> unmadindu: are you there?
Feb 01 22:59:31 <unmadindu> yes - but just to avoid confusion, I am not involved directly with IndLinux, and I'm mostly a generic i18n/l10n guy :)
Feb 01 23:01:11 <shankhs> i18n/l10n???
Feb 01 23:01:24 * techno_freak has changed the topic to: Welcome to Ubuntu Indian Team Classroom ~ #ubuntu-in-classroom | Ubuntu Indian Team ~ #ubuntu-in ~ http://ubuntu-in.info | Ubuntu Indian Team Weekly Meet #1 ~ 1st Feb 2009 21.00 hrs IST | Topic: Interaction about IndLinux/l10n/i18n with unmadindu |
Feb 01 23:01:37 <shankhs> OK
Feb 01 23:01:42 <unmadindu> internationalization/localization
Feb 01 23:01:53 <shankhs> got it
Feb 01 23:02:18 <shankhs> unmadindu: what does IndLinux's vision?
Feb 01 23:03:16 <shankhs> to provide free OS to every Indian? or to provide a complete Indian Linux?
Feb 01 23:04:14 <unmadindu> well - http://indlinux.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page says the both, in some ways :)
Feb 01 23:04:25 <shankhs> :)
Feb 01 23:04:52 <unmadindu> but again, I'm not the official IndLinux spokesperson, so I don't think I'm really the person to speak _for_ them
Feb 01 23:06:00 <shankhs> do IndLinux provide free mp3 codec support
Feb 01 23:06:33 <unmadindu> I don't think they do - and even if they do, I don't think that is what Indlinux _is_ for
Feb 01 23:07:26 <unmadindu> their focus is on i18n and l10n (and that mainly involves translations plus stuff like spell checking, etc)
Feb 01 23:08:13 <shankhs> unmadindu: then how do you think its going to help the students of rural india???
Feb 01 23:08:47 <unmadindu> shankhs: by providing students of rural India with something in their own language :)
Feb 01 23:09:50 <shankhs> unmadindu: in case if you may not know that we decided to discuss the topic here because one of our freind had a tough time installing and updating ubuntu as it had a few fonts missing and no codec support as its neccessary for the kids to learn from videos there
Feb 01 23:09:57 <shankhs> unmadindu: I agree
Feb 01 23:10:43 <shankhs> but dont you think an OS should have all the packages neccessary
Feb 01 23:11:29 <shankhs> nevertheless great job how to contribute?
Feb 01 23:12:01 <unmadindu> shankhs: it is very difficult to define "all" for everyone. for example, I'm was once a CS student, and might easily forget to include something like SPICE in my custom OS. That, I can assure you, will make tuxmaniac very angry :)
Feb 01 23:12:19 <easwar> unmadindu, not to mention me
Feb 01 23:12:20 <shankhs> unmadindu: :)
Feb 01 23:12:30 <unmadindu> shankhs: join the mailing list, and try to find out your area of interest
Feb 01 23:12:31 <tuxmaniac> :)
Feb 01 23:12:33 <unmadindu> easwar: heh
Feb 01 23:13:00 <unmadindu> I believe Indlinux, apart from translations, is doing some pretty interesting stuff on spellechecking
Feb 01 23:13:11 <unmadindu> there are even more interesing areas as well
Feb 01 23:13:23 <unmadindu> for example, OCR, speech recognition, speech synthesis
Feb 01 23:13:37 <shankhs> unmadindu: I had a whole sem project on spell-checking
Feb 01 23:13:40 <unmadindu> (all in local languages like Hindi, Kannada, Tamil, Telgu, Bengali...)
Feb 01 23:14:05 <unmadindu> shankhs: superb, then you can easily get involved with defining the spell checking rules for Indic languages
Feb 01 23:15:03 <shankhs> One of my freind is making a corpus based spell checker ( which will be language independent ) a continuation of my last sem project
Feb 01 23:15:34 <shankhs> I can help there
Feb 01 23:15:58 <unmadindu> great - talk to Gora Mohanty (gora at sarai dot net)
Feb 01 23:16:19 <unmadindu> he should be able to provide interesting stuff to you
Feb 01 23:16:32 <unmadindu> you can also start a discussion on the mailing list
Feb 01 23:16:44 <shankhs> as far as OCR is concerned the alpha version is released on MHRD site (IIITA has uploaded the Tibetan one I suppose)
Feb 01 23:17:09 <shankhs> unmadindu: you mean gora@sarai.net
Feb 01 23:17:14 <unmadindu> yes
Feb 01 23:17:25 <shankhs> fine I will
Feb 01 23:17:31 <unmadindu> super
Feb 01 23:17:36 <shankhs> unmadindu: thanx for sharing the info
Feb 01 23:17:43 <unmadindu> np :)
Feb 01 23:18:06 <shankhs> unmadindu: I thought the sem projects are just to do for 6 months and throw in the dust-bin
Feb 01 23:18:27 <unmadindu> shankhs: depends on what project you choose ;)
Feb 01 23:18:34 <shankhs> :D
Feb 01 23:18:54 * techno_freak looks at the clock, and feels people should go and catch some sleep before the week begins ;)
Feb 01 23:19:04 <shankhs> techno_freak: I agree
Feb 01 23:19:07 <unmadindu> heh, Mondays :P
Feb 01 23:19:07 <shankhs> bye
Feb 01 23:19:17 * techno_freak has changed the topic to: Welcome to Ubuntu Indian Team Classroom ~ #ubuntu-in-classroom | Ubuntu Indian Team ~ #ubuntu-in ~ http://ubuntu-in.info | Ubuntu Indian Team Weekly Meet #1 ~ 1st Feb 2009 21.00 hrs IST | Topic: <None> |
Feb 01 23:19:35 <shankhs> Thankyou guys for listening me
Feb 01 23:19:38 * techno_freak removes channel operator status from shankhs
Feb 01 23:19:50 <tazz> well yes and i gotta be in office by 7 am on monday
Feb 01 23:19:56 <tazz> so see ya guys
Feb 01 23:20:01 * techno_freak has changed the topic to: Welcome to Ubuntu Indian Team Classroom ~ #ubuntu-in-classroom | Ubuntu Indian Team ~ #ubuntu-in ~ http://ubuntu-in.info | Ubuntu Indian Team Weekly Meet - Wait for the announcement | Topic: <None> |
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